The Game Won't Call I Play I Designed - Help :-)

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The Game Won't Call I Play I Designed - Help :-)

Ok, here is my problem, when the opposing offense tried to convert a 4th down the defensive play I designed for it does not ever get called.  Instead the game chooses defensive plays (pass or run ones and not a kick return) that I have only configured for to run on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd downs and nothing in the AI is checked for 4th down, nothing at all, yet the game keeps using those plays over the one I designed.

My 4th and 1 defensive play is set for 100% of the time and anywhere on the field at any point in the game.  I even configured it to take 3 samples, yet the game continues to call plays that do not have anything checked for a 4th down.

I've pretty much ruled out user error on my part, I've been playing this game a long time but maybe I am overlooking something.  But I have double and triple checked the AI and plays that have nothing checked for 4th down get called every time and my only 4th down play I desgined has everything checked (everything for 4th down and <=1 yard to go that is)

I have the latest version.  Any suggestions as to where I might look for the root of the problem?

Chris

**Update - I said I have the latest version, the download link says v2.3,  but others here keep mentioning v2.4 so I am not sure what version I might have.  I will look tonight and confirm the version and update this post.  I'm running it on a Windows machine.

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Ok, I have v 2.4 for windows.  As far as the AI goes, this is how this play is configured:

1) Priority = 100%
2) Yards to go = 0-2 (first two blocks are checked)
3) Game time - the entire game (every block is checked)
4) Score difference - any scope (every block is checked)

And the plays the game keeps choosing on a 4th and down play? They have nothing checked for any 4th down action.  Nothing in any of the fields is checked for 4th down plays.

So when the offense tries to convert a 4th down my 4th down play does not get called, instead it calls other plays that have no blocks checked whatsoever in any of their 4th down areas.

So what the heck should I do?  :-)

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Re: The Game Won't Call I Play I Designed - Help :-)

What grouping do you have the play under in the AI? Is it under the Run/Pass/Punt/Fg side or the Kickoff/EP side? Also, have you tried creating a new blank playbook and importing ONLY that play for 4th downs? Meaning NO other plays to handle Punts? I'm not suggesting that you leave it that way, just a means of testing to see if it WILL actually be called.

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Its a Normal/Run play.

No I have not experimented like that.  I may try that.  The other plays that keep getting called are Normal/Run or Pass plays too.

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Re: The Game Won't Call I Play I Designed - Help :-)

It is just as important to have other plays blocked off that area as it is to have that play open in that area... I suggest blocking all other plays from occuring in that area, then you know what play will be called for sure.

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I have the solution to the problem right here, guaranteed.  Don't bother setting the play as the primary 4th and 1 play... the game doesn't care and will only use that play if the K is on the field... Try AI'ing your 4th and 1 defense by setting that AI on 3rd and 1.    The sim treats 4th down not as 4th down but as a kicking down... when the QB is on the field the sim uses 3rd down plays to pool from, with the K on the field the sim uses 4th down plays... Simple.

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Re: The Game Won't Call I Play I Designed - Help :-)

Good noodling Brandon. I'd forgotten that about the sim. Problem is, it's a defensive play he's trying to get called. Any other ideas about how to accomplish this on the defensive side of the ball?

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Actually, I was referring to the play being called on defense.  It is fairly simple...  When the defense is on the field on 4th down, the defense will use plays from 3rd down against when the QB is on the field and will use plays from 4th down when the K is on the field.  This is why when at the end of the game or half when the FG team is on the field on 1st-3rd downs the defense always has their FG block team in the game and also why the FG block team is not on the field when the offense is on the field and going for it on 4th down.

Set your priority of 3rd and inches defensive AI very high and I promise the play will be called frequently when the QB is on the field and going for it on 4th and short.

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